DesireOfMine

It won't be the same European server that they have been using.

@Saygo we need clarification according to this as soon as possible. Do you mean that we will have different servers but still in Europe (and if yes - where exactly?)? Or that our server will be moved to NA?
What's the reason of moving the server? NXKaas told us few months ago that we will keep our current servers...

Just a side note, if you're planning to move our servers to NA = EU RIP.
1. Removed TIRs/NX selling
2. 200+ ping for EU players + a lot of dc's, bugs (due to distance - not only ping will get bad, but also the latency... more server hubs to go through = more data corruption)
^If that's your plan, then you're basically killing our community. It's a recipe for 'doomsday'.

I really hope that you're not planning to move our servers to NA, and if you do - better change your mind, because it ain't gonna work.
If our servers would be moved to NA, i can officially state that i will stop playing this game completely (same as 99% of our playerbase).

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Just wanted to pop in and say that there are, indeed, other people reading this thread who are more... open-minded, let's say, and more receptive to an open discussion about this topic. Many of us may be keeping silent for various reasons, including reluctance to get involved in a flaming war, or because we've grown complacent with the airtight system that we already have, but we're still here and listening. @ EU players, I'd suggest directing your comments to this audience, rather than trying to convince specific outspoken posters in this thread. Do keep bringing in information and evidence, though, and keep up the fight -- the "it wouldn't benefit me, so nobody should have it" attitude of some people shouldn't stop you from advocating for yourselves.

My own two cents: first off, keep in mind that TIR and airtight are NOT mutually exclusive -- we can have both at the same time. And no, having both will not decrease Nexon's profits, because people don't buy gachas for the airtights. Anyway, personally, I feel that the fact that TIR doesn't depend on events already constitutes a major advantage over airtight items. After all, that's the entire point of the system: so players can get NX items without spending NX or depending on events. The selection of airtight items that becomes available is also inconsistent between events, which further detracts from players' ability to get what they want when they want it. (That answers "Why bring TIR in this game when everyone gets what they want?" Obviously, not everyone is getting what they want.) The ability to buy outfitters is another plus for TIR. And no, "just open your wallet and buy some NX" is not a valid argument because the purpose of this thread is to discuss different methods of making NX items accessible for non-paying players.

But if NA doesn't get it, at least give EU back their TIR. It's been proven to work for them, so why fix something that isn't broken? And if anyone says "No fair, why should EU get TIR if NA doesn't?" -- well, either 1) you agree that TIR is unnecessary, so you shouldn't care anyway, or 2) you do believe that TIR would be beneficial, in which case get on this thread and show your support. You have a voice -- use it, or allow one person to dictate the entire community's position.

Thank you for sharing . I hope that more people from NA will get to know about TIR Coins and give their insights about this topic.
We're happy to answer any questions and discuss the topic with open minds as well ^^.

Um @desireofmine "they act like they were costumers or something smh ungrateful kids these days" was obviously sarcasm

Just noticed, sorry i missed it xD.
Yeah you're right it was sarcasm what he said. It is often hard to judge emotional state of response in text since there is no emotional data included (voice tone, body language), but i've checked @Cenobite previous post and yeah, it clearly indicates that he meant the next response as sarcasm.

Sorry for mistake and thanks for pointing it out ^^, i will fix the quote in my previous post to avoid confusion xD.

@187 Ehh... you're so much misinformed.

Nexon EU was shut down and then merged with our services and formed into one company called "Nexon Global". But its still Nexon NA because we didn't get shut down, Nexon EU did. You should be grateful that Nexon NA merged services with EU to keep the game alive. We don't have TIR system in our server and Nexon NA didn't get shut down. Look what happened to EU while they were shut down because TIR was a successful that barely generated enough money to keep Nexon EU allowed.

False info nr.1
If you don't take my word for it, take the official info:



The migration is just a process made in purpose to improve their service quality, for example (in case of Vindictus):
1. Having single client to maintain + single version of game instead of two (Premiere), so then you have less bug reports to take care off, less suggestions, less of anything because everything is at one place and both communities use the same thing.
2. Single team to co-operate better
3. Having both services 'in one place' merged together which makes the managing easier in general
(i could've add more details, but i think it's pretty obvious)

It just happens to be, that they've decided to reside in Nexon NA offices, that's all. EU brings earnings basically same as NA, it's not like they can't pay for EU employees. The migration applies to all games and not just Vindictus, from which for example Maplestory is very successful... so yeah, what you say doesn't make any sense. Also we have official info proving you wrong... so there is that.

Gacha boxes are the alternative for TIR coins. What you receive from gacha boxes are completely trade-able on the market. They're called Airtight items which players can buy through the mailbox if not prohibited or Marketplace. There are big ticket items in gacha boxes which can net you a lot of gold which can sell anywhere from 200M to 1Billion gold such as the butterfly wings.

False info nr.2

As mentioned previously, no. Gacha boxes don't work as 'alternative' to TIR Coins. They lack key parts of TIR Coins system which make it much better feature and helps in other things better, like getting rid of gold sellers/inflation, getting avatar/inner/etc. items... also Gacha don't translate gold value directly from NX, therefore making the trades unstable in terms of economy and fair exchange. I've explained everything in previous post basically.

Gacha boxes are a nice addition, but they are not a 'replacement' for TIR Coins. They could just keep both for wider functionality and better service.

We have a permanent gacha box called Vindicator Box t. It contains Airtight enchant runes, enhance runes, unbind pots, and a few more. Compared to your TIR and what can be bought, Nexon NA's gacha boxes that contain more NX items than yours. I'm only basing it off the Nexon EU TIR coin system introduction thread and reading what items are affected under that list. Nexon is able to milk as much money off these players which helps keep our servers alive meanwhile, your system of TIR coins didn't really keep Nexon EU employees their job and had to be shut down.

False info nr.3

TIR Coin system was successful in EU. It helped to get rid of the gold selling, and there are tons of people investing money into this game either to get NX items or just to sell NX/TIR value to other players. Many players used it to get avatar items, and since like 'half' of people play this game for avatars xD, it made the game much more enjoyable to them. You don't even play in EU, so what can you know - yes, nothing.

TIR coin is also a form of Pay 2 Win. Games that have this similar system exactly like TIR would be Arche Age or Blade and soul which are considered P2W. You are giving what the player wants (TIR) and receiving (gold) in return. TIR is the same as buying/selling NX and a LEGAL way to buy/sell gold. You really think that Nexon NA will bring TIR after prohibiting buying/selling NX?

False info nr.4

Well sure, being able to get gold via 'selling NX' makes people to be able to progress faster... but wait, you can do that on your server as well by getting gold from gold sellers or even Gacha boxes... heck isn't this game P2W anyway? Ah right... because Enchant and Enhancement Runes don't speed up your process, or wait... do they xDD? Naah... NX items don't make the game easier and faster, otherwise people would spend real money on NX, oh wait - THEY DO.

TIR coin does not eliminate gold sellers or bots from the server completely. By having TIR in our system, It might actually provoke the Chinese gold sellers to fraudulently buy NX to sell TIR coin for gold. As I checked some gold sites, they are still offering to sell EU gold which means TIR is not working as it suppose to be... eliminate gold site sellers and bots. You sure don't know how to stop gold site sellers and bots. Please take a good look at Blade and Soul and welcome your stay there because you will much like it there. They're also infested with bots in both EU and NA server. Also, take a good look at the game Black desert, the company that took action against the Chinese gold site/ bots and pretty much eliminated them by removing player trading. I doubt any of the BDO players are buying services from chinese sites because they have nothing to offer except for power-leveling / gold farming but only an idiot would do that to their own account.

False info nr.5

Please answer few questions:
1. Do people complain on gold sellers/bots in NA?
2. Did prices increase dramatically due to inflation in NA over the years?
3. Do people buy gold from gold sellers in NA?

Well, the answers are pretty obvious so i will just answer them right away ^^:
1. Yes - i've seen tons of complaints on your forums.
2. Yes - comparatively it's at least 10:1 of EU gold value (and it's getting more all the time due to ongoing inflation).
3. Yes - even tho i don't even speak with many NA players, i've already meet few people from your server who admitted that they buy gold from gold sellers and that GMs don't do anything with it and it's basically safe.

In EU comparatively, we have none of it.
1. People don't see any bots or advertisements - they are nonexistent.
2. Gold value is basically stable, same as always - there is no inflation.
3. I've meet tons of people in EU, and none of them is buying any gold from gold sellers, because they have better alternative in game - which is safe, legal, and even more profitable.

As for 'gold websites' on the internet, yeah there are some sellers apparently... but basically no one is using them. Possibly they have some gold left from the time when gold sellers still existed in EU, and they just put it as available in case someone decides to buy (which doesn't happen basically).

Please stop spreading false information to the public into believing that TIR is actually the solution to all our problems.

I'm not the one spreading 'false information to the public'. Opposite to you, i actually have proofs on what i say.

Keep dreaming.

This is our alternative TIR but unfortunately, some of the ungrateful EU players are not happy and willing to go through such great lengths to try to bring back TIR.

Wow... so we're less of human than you are? Our needs and opinions do not matter? You're some kind of ruling class? That's very insulting, the way you perceive us. That... plus your broken perspective about the situation. It seems like some NA players imagine that we're just some 'attachment' to their servers and that we should be grateful to them... for what i'm asking? What did you actually do for us xD?

So here is a clarification to fill up the holes in your knowledge mate. We're not some attachment, we're equal to you, we are customers same as you.
The merge of services isn't 'NA saving EU'... we weren't 'dying' for one thing. Nexon simply decided to merge these two companies into single 'Nexon Global' in purpose to increase efficiency (personally i don't know why they've waited so long... since we both use English version of game). So no, it's no longer Nexon NA or Vindictus NA... it is Nexon Global which includes same EU as NA on equal terms (at least it should be that way).

The only thing is, that it's the old Nexon NA team which was given responsibilities to manage this new company... that's all. This obviously is causing issues in many players perception about EU playerbase, which makes them treat us as 'worse'. The issue is also due to the fact that Nexon NA team is biased mainly towards NA playerbase... because well, we're 'in here' new (new to them).

Another thing i would like to teach you, is to talk only for yourself... since there are many players from NA who would love to have TIR Coin system, plus 100% population of EU (we have literally no one against TIR Coins, everybody wants to get it back - which you can check on our forum surveys).
Something like ^this happens rarely... when a feature is literally accepted by a 100% of exact population. We've tried it, experienced its effects - and we love it. Altogether with EU+NA, there is majority of people in favour of TIR Coins, rather than against (while most of NA playerbased doesn't even know about TIR Coins existence, or aren't enough/properly 'educated' about it). Maybe if Nexon NA team would be a little more objective, they would listen to the 'voice of reason' and do the right thing.


Some clarifications:
Gacha boxes aren't 'the alternative' for TIR Coins.
First thing is that they don't replace functionality and purpose of TIR Coins. With TIR Coins it is possible to eliminate gold sellers/bots from server completely. This follows with removing inflation and makes the game overall better. Plus players receive the items they want for equal and fair calculation of gold (since you buy the currency, and not the items for which sellers may put price depending on situation). With TIR Coins, gold sellers lose customers, up to the point when they end up with none, since players receive much better alternative of receiving gold in game. With TIR Coins they can purchase and sell their NX currency any time they need, and in any amounts they need... while with gacha boxes you need event first (which doesn't happen all the time), then depending on luck you either get more or less, you either get items that can be sold easier or it can take a really long time, etc. etc.

Overall, gacha doesn't function as TIR Coins system at all, which makes it often not attractive, or not available 'when someone needs it' and therefore it doesn't remove gold sellers from the server... neither is fair way of exchanging goods. Additionally you can't get avatars/inner/hairs/etc. from shop with gacha.
In general gacha boxes are a lot worse system than TIR Coins... or rather, they won't work as 'replacement' for TIR Coins, since the functionality of it is different.