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aylbdr wrote: »

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Just because your thread was long, I didn't feel like including it in a quote nor splitting it up into multiple quotes to which I'd reply. However, since you ordered your points into eight nice and neat paragraphs, allow me to bullet point my eight replies to yours.

• Yeah, going out of my way to nitpick something I apparently failed to understand *more on that later* compared to just chiming in with something more supportive/voicing disagreement towards nexon would have done more help. I get that, but at the same time, I think that you could have done more help by not bringing race/skin color into an issue where it has no place. I said before that race =/= geographical location or nationality. Being banned for playing from Argentina =/= banned for being Argentinian.
  
  
• You said that your friends from Argentina got hit for playing outside of NA whereas your other friends from everywhere else in the world are fine. Let's first establish playing on NA from an outside region typically requires a VPN, and players utilize these VPN's to bypass region restrictions. So at the end of the day they're circumventing what Nexon has in place to prevent. Wouldn't it be equally fair to assume that the method your friends in Argentina were using to bypass the region restrictions are simply no longer able to fly under the radar? And subsequently their accounts were detected to have been connecting from outside of the intended region? Which begs the question of how much longer your other friends from elsewhere can continue to fly under the radar? I mean realistically speaking, do you think that there's someone at Nexon HQ that said, "Hmmm... I think we're gonna screw over the Argentinians today?" I doubt it.
  
  
• I agree that the main issues with lag come from the weak servers, and it's neat that some of your Argentine friends can host better than your NA friends. However, there will always be exceptions like yours, but I would say that the general likelihood of experiencing latency issues is much higher when connecting to people outside of NA's supported regions. This is the logical reason I concluded for when people are nixed for not playing within NA. Nexon's trying to reduce the second-most probable cause of latency issues which happens to be foreign players even though I still do not agree with it. Instead of banning people outside of NA, they could try investing in beefing up their servers but nope, they wanna take the cheap & easy way
  
  
• There's a fine line between making an accusation and making an implication just like there's a fine line between the phrase, "no better than," which is what you said and, "if for no reason other than," which is probably what you were trying to convey. Irregardless, the turn of phrase means that you're acknowledging the existence of other reasons which you are currently unaware of, but you believe that your stated reason is the main one. I choose my words carefully too, and even if what you said was a mere implication, I'll reiterate that race/skin color has no place in this discussion nor should it have been included in your OP; at least in my opinion. I also do not see the logic in how you skipped over various possible reasons, and jumped straight to skin color.
  
  
• I agree that what they're doing is the opposite of good for the game. By blocking players that want to play/support Vindictus, Nexon is literally shooting themselves in the foot. A lower player count means less revenue which leads to a degradation in game quality, and ends up effecting the people that can play. You're right in saying that everyone is affected, but I don't see how you're coming to the conclusion that it could be b/c of race. Is everyone in Argentina brown? No. Does nexon request your ethnicity when you create an account? No. Therefore I conclude that it doesn't have to do with skin color. Sometimes companies just do dumb stuff that doesn't make any logical sense on the surface, and sometimes not even under the surface. Also... c'mon, this is Nexon we're talking about.
  
  
• There's only one person I can think of that fits your description of blatantly racist. I remember seeing posts here a while ago about a racist Vindy discord mod. Ellie I think it was? If that is the person you're referencing, then I don't think they were hired by Nexon. Last time I checked, the discord mods are simply volunteers that aren't on Nexon's payroll, and have no power other than your average discord mod + the ability to have a higher priority when it comes to reaching Nexon. If I've got the wrong person, then I dunno who you're talking about. Regarding your little comment about the current racial climate here in America, I'll just mark this as a spoiler for you to read if you'd like.
  I personally don't believe that we have a climate of extreme racism. I'm not saying we don't have it here and there, but it's not extreme. What I see today is that everyone is so obsessed and concerned with what color that are, their sex, sexual orientation, and what group they belong to. These aspects of a person are not important. The only thing that should matter is WHO you are as an individual, not WHAT. Over the years, we made great strides in overcoming our history and progressed towards judging others by their character and who they were because that is truly how you define someone. In current day, it seems like we're taking steps backwards. My only guess is that many people in the current generation feel like their character alone isn't is special enough, and so they've taken to these identity prefixes to get a hollow sense of self-worth & importance. Whenever this hollow sense gets shattered, they get upset and call whatever -ism lines up with their invalidated "what." They conflate who and what which doesn't work out in the end, but I'm not too worried. They'll grow up eventually. I'm part of this generation btw; I'm twenty-eight, and I'm ashamed to be a Millennial based on how most of us act today.
  
  
• I don't think Nexon's incapable of bad behavior. I just don't think that they're acting on the basis of skin color like you've contemplated & implied.
  
  
• I do not agree with Nexon on this matter. Acknowledging a reason for something you disagree with doesn't mean you're partially in agreement. It is possible to see the other side of an issue without taking it. The reason I took great exception to you thinking that an issue in an obscure MMO might be driven by race lies in the simple fact that you went there. You could have sat down & taken five minutes to come up with a more probable reason, but instead you jumped straight to race because it's an easy excuse. The reason I detest when people do this is because it has the potential to indirectly perpetuate actual racism. Morgan says it best here (https://youtu.be/Mh8mUia75k8?t=36). Race-baiting has many definitions surprisingly, so let me clarify the way I meant it which is Using implications of racial discrimination and/or disparity to support one's disagreement/issue with another. I would say that this definition lines up with the part of your OP I took issue with. Lastly, am I racist? Hmmm, well I do laugh at off-color humor as well as stereotype jokes, but that's only because I have a sense of humor and know when it's appropriate to make/laugh at said jokes. But to answer your direct question of if I am; No I am not. (After working many years in the retail scene, you come to hate everyone equally )

aylbdr wrote: »

These people help keep this game alive and you just banned them for no better reason than they have brown skin.

This is the only statement that I take issue with. I personally do not subscribe to the notion that these people got "banned," because of the color of their skin. This is just blatant race baiting. These players did not suffer because of their skin color. They suffered because they're outside of Vindictus's indented support region which does not equate to race. Suffering from geographical location =/= suffering from skin color.

Do I personally agree with Nexon's decision to block people based on where they are globally? No, I do not agree with it b/c I believe that having a diverse playerbase enriches the social experience offered by your typical MMO. A guildy of mine who played from Ukraine just got nailed by this earlier today.



He was a good player & friend and I'm disheartened to see this happen to him. However, just b/c I disagree with Nexon's decision doesn't mean I'm going to instantly jump on making accusations involving race. I can see from a technological standpoint why Nexon did this.

Since the game uses a peer2peer system, any person playing outside of the supported region runs the risk of having a poor experience due to latency issues. This issue also works both ways wherein an NA player will have a poor experience when connecting to a foreign host. Since NA is the intended region & target audience for the NA server, I can see the reasoning. By enforcing region restrictions, they help reduce the likelihood of their target audience having a poor experience by connecting to foreign hosts. It's that simple.

Not trying to flame you or anything, I just didn't appreciate your utilization of one's skin color in your argument. I also would like to reiterate that I do not agree with Nexon's decision; I'm just able to see an actual reason instead of baseless race-baiting.

Vladino wrote: »

I can't find anything possitive about fatigue system, can you?

It gives me time to go enjoy the new Re:Mind DLC for Kingdom Hearts at least. I dunno if you'd consider that a positive tho

dazedgumball wrote: »

Rejoice! The voice swap is coming with the next patch

But here's the true question. Lann, Fiona, and Evie had old English voices and didn't use the KR voices like Karok through Eira.

So for Lann, Fiona, and Evie, our choice will be between the "new" English VA & the Korean VA. That means we won't get our old English voices that we're used to will we?

Comparison Video for people:
KR Evie: 0:45 | Old NA Evie: 1:14
KR Fiona: 2:00 | Old NA Fiona: 2:09
KR Lann: 6:41 | Old NA Lann: 6:55


I'm not complaining as I've always wanted to go CHAWWWW like the KR spear lanns, but I know those that were really attached to their old NA voices like @FranBunnyFFXII probably won't be pleased

Refer to this document's 2nd tab at the bottom titled Gear List. Things labeled as "Discontinued in RISE Update."

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t_cd5mGUKeLMeYnxU1aoh7kh1rEVL1cLskVOS4GRwSY/edit#gid=1339333758