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Oh by the way, while we're on the topic of inconsiderate players, maybe we should take a look at how considerate the author of this thread is to players in other areas of the game -





Nice man.

I'm sure your teammates also appreciate when you relax on the floor rather than running into a corner -







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You are quite the samaritan my friend. Meanwhile the rest of us will continue being dicks by politely asking players to catch another boat so we can enjoy some playtime with our friends.

Yagamin wrote: »

It's because there was a significant jump in a short time. How else can you explain it.

So what you're basically saying here is that if a handful of people are exposed to a piece of content at roughly the same time, review it at roughly the same time, and share their (independent) opinions on it at roughly the same time, and if those opinions happen to align against - then those people are rigging votes rather than accurately representing a different perspective on said piece of content?

Boy do I have a bridge to sell ya.

Yagamin wrote: »

If only you read the first post.

I read your post in full. Your experience isn't my experience - you prefer board for the time saved, I prefer QB for the extra core. I guess I can understand you wanting to save some time considering you run 50 raids per day -



But then again, I'm pretty sure you can understand wanting extra cores as well since afaik you dope like a mofo in every single raid. For those of us who don't run 50 raids a day and perhaps only run a select few we're specifically interested in doing, an extra core per run might actually be more valuable.

Yagamin wrote: »

Actually, the real results should be that the majority of people find it annoying. Considering how the people who find it OK jumped up after a certain person from a certain guild posted (meaning they called on their guild to help vote against).

I assume you're referring to me. I didn't "call" on my guild to do anything. Here is what happened - reasonable people saw an idiotic thread and shared their opinions of their own volition. Shocking.

Hello,

I am one of the people who hosts such runs and politely asks players to leave if they happen to join before my friends/guildmates. Yeah, I'm a real inconsiderate a-hole.

Maybe if you make a grand total of three friends, you too can become an inconsiderate a-hole.

P.S.

If I myself am asked to leave because I've joined such a boat, I politely nod my head, say "np" and leave. Because I'm just that inconsiderate.

Bots are convenient in that they flood the market with cheap, in-demand items which players can't be bothered to farm, or items which players can't farm efficiently in large quantities. In a game where you need many hundreds or potentially thousands of a given item to meet a given goal, this is a literal blessing, particularly when the items in question have abysmal or sparse drop rates.

Bots are inconvenient in that they devalue items which newer players might depend on to make gold and contribute directly to mudflation, which itself contributes directly to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

I'm not really sure which edge of the sword is preferable in the context of the game's current state.

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That said, bots haven't touched the element stone market and haven't made too much of a dent in the steel market, so S2 and OS farming are still great ways to make a lot of gold for anybody. For reference, I generated and sold 136 damascus steel @ 4.8m each at the end of S4 - 120 of those were directly from OS, the other 16 were raid drops. So that's around 650m just from doing Onslaught on one character for one 4-week long (iirc) season and running a few raids here and there. If you do OS on multiple characters, your income multiplies appropriately. 6 tickets per day is roughly one hour if you don't have to wait too long for queues (you usually don't if playing in the evenings). That's not much of a time investment and is all that's required to avoid overcapping on tickets from day to day, though at some point you will need to burn through the excess prior to season end. Yes, you need a 2x seal pot to make this efficient but they're fairly cheap when you consider the payout (don't have to buy with NX, people sell them for not much gold) - the pot also doesn't tick down while you're offline so depending on your schedule and assuming you don't afk in Colhen 24/7, one pot can literally last you multiple seasons. That's value if I've ever seen it.

Granted, you wouldn't be wrong to say that people need their steel for reforging, but selling it all at first can easily fund enough counterforce for a newer player to make their way into level 100 raids - or it may allow a player to forego reforging and simply buy out a set of high enhance gear, and then once they've hit that baseline acceptable power level, they can start hoarding steel for further reforging.

All of this is to say that, despite the presence of bots, it's still more than possible for anybody to make significant gains if they put in the time and effort. If your response is "but i don't wanna do onslaught"... well, ok. Don't say it's impossible to make money though. Gotta take advantage of whatever opportunities the game offers at any given time.

Event abuse and MP flipping are also viable ways of making bank, if you can be bothered to put in the effort.