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Returner9 wrote: »

In the EU server alone there were at least 20 Neamhain comrades sold, and at least 10,000$ worth of boxes opened last week. I presume in NA it was more or less the same. Which means Nexon made 26,000$~ish in a span of a week at the minimum.

I don't think any of you fully realize how little to none you (and your opinion) matter to devcat or nexon.

What does gatcha's and black Fridays sales have anything to do with people not liking the new combat voices? Heck I haven't heard any say they are stopping playing, let alone stopping paying Nexon money. At most we have said we just play without the sound, and are unhappy because of it.


(That said I long since stopped buying NX because of the rise update, but obviously I still play way too much.)

Ukam wrote: »

A lot of different opinions but good stuff. Would it just be easier to go with +11 Astera which I have already. Side line it for a moment and go for +15 dullahan so I can farm better and then use that to advance the Astera? I've already got +15 frozen rings, +15 sealed belt, and +15 devil earrings.

Cost wise I would side line the Astera and focus on the dul. It just costs too much steel to go with Astera, unless you are sitting around with 3B gold or more. (And my assumption is that in a few months we will see lv 105 weapon in korea -> in ~8-9 months we likely will have them here. With that they will likely lower the steel cost for lv 100 items and make the lv 105 cost the same as lv 100 does now.)

*Note lv 105 likely will have a crazy jump in att... if things to the way they have then lvl 105 weapons will have more att than +15 lv 100s...*

Venerator wrote: »

I do not have any data on the lower end of running OS. If someone could give me info about how many intrusions/normal mobs/statues killed for their seasons I could create a excel spreadsheet to see how much they are making running OS.

I already said what my rate is, but it is in the mass of words. I don't use 2x seal things, but for 6-7 runs I will on average get 1 steel. (IE averaging 30-40 seals per run.)

As for win rate... When I upgraded to my lv 100 +15 things have gone way down hill. Now it usually goes that I can carry for the first 3/4 of the run. (We usually are winning.) Then statues statues statues. And folks don't know how to stay on them. (And I can only keep 2 statues down + attack a boss for say 30 seconds before I will be dead from someone leaving a statue alone. So basically the last 2-3 min you don't kill anything.

Last season I managed a 36.7% win ratio. This season is at a giant 29.17%. I know Koreans seem to really like the RNG factor of the statues... but I am not willing to hold back on dps so we can bombard the other group with statues.

(Also your time per game is off. Waiting even when there are 6 folks in the queue seems takes ~2 min for the host to be found. Then another 2 min to load/start, then you have the 8 min running + ~30 seconds to get out? Course getting the queue to get to 6 folks is horrid too.) I think I will time it during my next 6 runs.

That said, today I ran 10 S3 and got 5 steel there. (Note I have luck, > 40% dps + guild, fire (on dul and up) and blessing extra cores). So you can see why OS at least for me is not the money maker a few of you paint it out to be. (And I can run all 10 raids in about half the time it takes me to run 6 OS.)

And I am not trying to harp on OS. It is just, to me, OS is one of the most annoying parts of the game, that I feel I have to run. (You shouldn't be killed every time for winning the first 75% of the game.)


*edit* I just ran 4 each time joined at 5 or more folks, would mega when we needed another person. Time = 12.5 per run. (Well all total 49 min 55 seconds).


*edit again* Looks like Bots just lowered their price on everything again. Now steel will be 3.8 m for how long?

Sorry @Prototypemind but we might have to agree to disagree.

This reply became way too long, feel free to read it or not.

I don't know how much gold you think the average person has... but just try to make a new character capable of doing >15% DPS in macha without any gold/rune etc from your older characters.

By lv 90 you might have made ~15 m if you got a lucky enthu or two es. If you bothered to make crafting to lv 100... you likely are in the hole.

So you have your free "amazing" +12 gear... only you can't get past fish. You don't have enough gold to make a dul weapon let alone runes to make it a +10.

Cost -> well you can run regina -> fish every day. Lets just say 10 raids a day. Lets pretend you manage to get 1 orange a day. => ~2 mil a day with a bot infested market. (Almost all the scrolls you get are chump change, since the dead/subdue drop so little.)

Ok you do that for 2 weeks and now have 2 runes from the seal shop + enough to make dul weapon that isn't complete crud. Now you still need to spend ~15 m infusing to get the crit/bal max rolls that makes going to dul worth it for the stupid crit+bal reqs.

Course it is going to take ~8-14 runes to manage a +10 so you can start working on that. So that is a few months gone. (Or you can buy two for ~150 m on the market due to bot inflation on all old event/nx items...)

Now scrolls... Well I assume you want to get rings etc and make it so you can run the new content, so you decide to go valor + spirited. Course you need runes for spirited... Anther few weeks of playing.

So at this point you likely have spent ~3 months to get a +10 lv 95 weapon. Bots really helped you right. (Still can't get into what you need since you need the good rings with scrolls at ~+12 + belt/earnings.

Now lets remember what it was like before.
1) you still had to run ~1 month of raids to be able to buy the feather ess from the seal shop.
2) while doing those raids you would have managed to earn lets say 5m per day instead of 2 m per day.
3) NX/old event items were selling much much less. (IE cat growth box = ~25-40m instead of ~150).
4) the scrolls you got would have sold for ~5x what they are now. => means you can then buy cheap scrolls instead.

From what I see anyone that is starting the game fresh could get into the newer raids ~2 months sooner than anyone in a bot infested community.


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How is that not the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer?

Just looking at where the gold goes. Steel was literally 60 pages of 10-100 stacks of bots. Normal sellers would undercut, but I more often then not always see folks dipping into bot posted items always.

Lets just say that out of everyone buying everything 40% of the gold goes back to the player, 60% goes to bots. And lets pretend the gold sinks = exactly what new gold is brought into the game by the players and not the bots.

If you are like me... you boom your weapon ~20 times+. So lets just guess that was just 20 steel + 1 ess + 2 shards. So what ~100m per boom.

Now best case scenario. I am managing to get 40% of the gold back since bots are taking 60%, and 40% goes to someone at least why not me?

So that means I will now have 800m and my weapon will be where I want it. Great.

Lets do pants -> (say that is 800m, but again I get all 40% of the gold spent back) => now I am at 320m...

rise repeat you are broke but maybe have some good gear, the bots have all the gold.

The only way to make gold now is to post things less than botters. (Which is dirt cheap as you said). Or sell NX/event items to the folks that are buying gold from bots.

This isn't beneficial to anyone but the botters. (In the botters mind gold/dollar just needs to pay off their electricity bill. Everything else is profit.)

You should think about starting to party up at the start of season 3 (Ben Chenner Entrance-> Autumn Reed Bed). You can solo those bosses, but usually they will be a bit very tough for new lv 75 folks.

Note the game even tells you that with Regina you should party up. (Use quick board... If you can host it should fill very quick since it is a story mission.)

Good luck.