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Bamboozled by Mischief-Maker Case

MintchiMintchi
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I've fortunately been able to scrape up enough gold to purchase my own Hellfairy pet, but my friend has probably spent way more than what my rent costs on trying to get a pet(he did, fortunately get a succubus set, though he wasn't really hoping for one). I opened about 100 of them myself, with no luck.

How do you all feel about the Mischief-Maker Case?
Have you been bamboozled by it?
Should it have more sets? Should it be cheaper? Should the good-stuff have a higher rate?

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  • dazedgumballdazedgumball
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    They need to bring back more sets (like the Trivene, Demon Hunter, Great Adventurer).
    Mintchi
  • TheNakedDuckTheNakedDuck
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    edited May 10, 2017
    I started with 8.4kk bought 11 boxes and had the luck to drop one pet.from then on I kept buying and selling what I got on the boxes.Ended up reaching 400 coupons and 8kk left.So yeah I found it nice.Got 4 pets in total,2 exquisite enchant runes and 2 10k ap capsules.nothing crazy for 400 boxes.plus I have a the car set now and 240 coupons left +yay
    Mintchi
  • 2edgy4u2edgy4u
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    people get varied results from rng boxes. more news at 8.
    BloodAngelPrototypemindMintchiDownIoadArixZiggyStardust
  • BloodAngelBloodAngel
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    Only gacha boxes I've bought was Lugh battle boxes when there was 11 for 5 bucks and lucky boxes bc that was actually a good deal with a lot of good stuff in those boxes. I avoid anything I deem as scams like this one and the black friday "sale" box
    Mintchi
  • PrototypemindPrototypemind
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    You weren't bamboozled. Unfortunately, so long as players support the boxes in droves they will be the name of the game. There's nothing wrong with people getting them going in knowing their odds, but it's clear that a lot of people really can't help themselves. There's a thread on TERA about their current RNG boxes and someone dropped $1,000 on them and didn't get the desired prize. I doubt that person would have paid $1,000 to direct purchase that mount, but people will spend quickly again and again on micro transactions because each one really isn't "that much".

    These boxes are exactly why China's law just went into effect forcing publishers to disclose the drop rates for their items. Some are creative with even that, though. Blizzard, for instance, says that players, on average, will get one of X item every thirteen boxes, rather than explicitly saying there's a 7.7% chance to get X, which has 20 different variants between all the characters, meaning there's a .39% chance that a player actually gets that specific item they're going for.

    China is also supposed to have included in the law that all RNG items in the cash shop must also have a means of earning them in game by playing or with in game currency. I don't know that the items in these boxes can skirt that, since even though they're airtight, the airtight versions can only be won by someone paying real cash first. I'm also not sure how this will be put into effect for Global or even KR and other Asian regions once it's in place. Here, for instance, Nexon has started disclosing the drop rates for the major prizes on the News page when they're released, following what's been established in KR. Perhaps all regions will follow the requirements and change the system to match China's going forward.

    TL;DR, your friend's odds of winning were displayed. I think the rates should be higher and there should be direct purchase, but as long as people are buying up 1,000 boxes, which I know of at least one player definitely doing, or buying a few hundred worth at the least, they really have no incentive to change anything.

    Odds of getting a pet for reference: 1.1%, so on average, someone should get a pet every 100 boxes in the long run. To each their own, but I don't think a convenience item is worth $100, and that's if RNG holds to the averages for you.

    Odds of getting Succubus Queen: 0.27%, so on average, someone would likely get one every 370 boxes. Again, much more than I'd spend for an outfitter.

    MintchiNakrast
  • DownIoadDownIoad
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    I think @BloodAngel said it best.

    These boxes are gambling so spend whatever you plan on 'losing' and if you come out a winner +yay. If you happen to get nothing, don't be upset at the game designers.

    I myself bought the 11 pack on the first day and got a hell fairy pet on the 6th box. I bought 2 more packs since, totalling 33 boxes and after the 6th box I got nothing of any value.

    Don't walk into the casino with more than you can afford to lose.


    Mintchi
  • SuhpremeSuhpreme
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    i bought 11 boxes and got 2 succubuss queen sets, 3 succpets,

    how do u feeL?
    Mintchi
  • MintchiMintchi
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    You weren't bamboozled. Unfortunately, so long as players support the boxes in droves they will be the name of the game. There's nothing wrong with people getting them going in knowing their odds, but it's clear that a lot of people really can't help themselves. There's a thread on TERA about their current RNG boxes and someone dropped $1,000 on them and didn't get the desired prize. I doubt that person would have paid $1,000 to direct purchase that mount, but people will spend quickly again and again on micro transactions because each one really isn't "that much".

    These boxes are exactly why China's law just went into effect forcing publishers to disclose the drop rates for their items. Some are creative with even that, though. Blizzard, for instance, says that players, on average, will get one of X item every thirteen boxes, rather than explicitly saying there's a 7.7% chance to get X, which has 20 different variants between all the characters, meaning there's a .39% chance that a player actually gets that specific item they're going for.

    China is also supposed to have included in the law that all RNG items in the cash shop must also have a means of earning them in game by playing or with in game currency. I don't know that the items in these boxes can skirt that, since even though they're airtight, the airtight versions can only be won by someone paying real cash first. I'm also not sure how this will be put into effect for Global or even KR and other Asian regions once it's in place. Here, for instance, Nexon has started disclosing the drop rates for the major prizes on the News page when they're released, following what's been established in KR. Perhaps all regions will follow the requirements and change the system to match China's going forward.

    TL;DR, your friend's odds of winning were displayed. I think the rates should be higher and there should be direct purchase, but as long as people are buying up 1,000 boxes, which I know of at least one player definitely doing, or buying a few hundred worth at the least, they really have no incentive to change anything.

    Odds of getting a pet for reference: 1.1%, so on average, someone should get a pet every 100 boxes in the long run. To each their own, but I don't think a convenience item is worth $100, and that's if RNG holds to the averages for you.

    Odds of getting Succubus Queen: 0.27%, so on average, someone would likely get one every 370 boxes. Again, much more than I'd spend for an outfitter.

    This was really interesting to read!
    It's kind of like farming for an item that drops at .01% and getting nothing for weeks. In a sense, I kind of enjoy the "grind," but my wallet doesn't lol.
    DownIoad wrote: »
    I think @BloodAngel said it best.

    These boxes are gambling so spend whatever you plan on 'losing' and if you come out a winner +yay. If you happen to get nothing, don't be upset at the game designers.

    I myself bought the 11 pack on the first day and got a hell fairy pet on the 6th box. I bought 2 more packs since, totalling 33 boxes and after the 6th box I got nothing of any value.

    Don't walk into the casino with more than you can afford to lose.


    I'm not upset about the boxes--I actually quite love "gachas!" But it would be nice if they added some more sets or a slightly higher chance of obtaining one of the nicer items. For this box, there's only 1 set and it can only be worn by female characters :'(

    Congratulations on the luck! All of them are really cute. This is my first pet on Vindictus, and I'm very pleased.
    Suhpreme wrote: »
    i bought 11 boxes and got 2 succubuss queen sets, 3 succpets,

    how do u feeL?

    Haha that's crazy! I hope you switch between the 2 succubus sets and 3 pets every hour lol B)
    Whenever I get extremely lucky, I fear that all of my luck has run out and expect something terrible to happen next :#
    2edgy4u
  • TetsujinTetsujin
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    I had to open 70 boxes to get a pet.

    I got a Makeup Coupon and an Appearance Alteration Coupon that I had been planning to buy anyway, which reduced the cost. Some of the other stuff was also useful like a couple of fusion runes and party graces.

    I hate gambling & I dislike gambling boxes & I didn't want to buy them. But the pets are so adorable 7GoVDWp.png and I didn't have 100M gold to buy one from the marketplace.

    I just wish Tir coins were available so those who hate gambling had a legal way to buy gold & then buy the pets from the marketplace.
    MintchiBloodAngel
  • MintchiMintchi
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    Tetsujin wrote: »
    I had to open 70 boxes to get a pet.

    I got a Makeup Coupon and an Appearance Alteration Coupon that I had been planning to buy anyway, which reduced the cost. Some of the other stuff was also useful like a couple of fusion runes and party graces.

    I hate gambling & I dislike gambling boxes & I didn't want to buy them. But the pets are so adorable 7GoVDWp.png and I didn't have 100M gold to buy one from the marketplace.

    I just wish Tir coins were available so those who hate gambling had a legal way to buy gold & then buy the pets from the marketplace.

    Nice! I'm glad you got the pet and some things you wanted! I <3 my Hellfairy Cassie
    I got some good things too, like Face Tattoo and dyes :D
  • PrototypemindPrototypemind
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    Tetsujin wrote: »
    I had to open 70 boxes to get a pet.

    I got a Makeup Coupon and an Appearance Alteration Coupon that I had been planning to buy anyway, which reduced the cost. Some of the other stuff was also useful like a couple of fusion runes and party graces.

    I hate gambling & I dislike gambling boxes & I didn't want to buy them. But the pets are so adorable 7GoVDWp.png and I didn't have 100M gold to buy one from the marketplace.

    I just wish Tir coins were available so those who hate gambling had a legal way to buy gold & then buy the pets from the marketplace.

    You are allowed to gift NX items for gold. It's obviously at your own risk so you should find someone who will send the gold first as well as someone who can vouch for you, but that $70 you spent on boxes would have gotten you about 280m gold give or take on East. A much better way to go if you're not a fan of gambling on boxes.
    Mintchi
  • maelturdmaelturd
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    Bought 2 with leftover nx in one session and got a succubus queen set, probably bought 14 overall.
    Mintchi
  • MadcobraMadcobra
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    edited May 10, 2017
    How do i feel ? Hmm half vindictus run in succubus set what makes me feel laugh , so i feel happy i guess . And i think the drop rate from boxes is pretty good atleast on europe server . Dont spend much time in game but by two houers when im loged i see drop from box every 5 min maybe +haha
    Mintchi
  • MintchiMintchi
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    maelturd wrote: »
    Bought 2 with leftover nx in one session and got a succubus queen set, probably bought 14 overall.

    Share some of that luck with me, haha!
    Madcobra wrote: »
    How do i feel ? Hmm half vindictus run in succubus set what makes me feel laugh , so i feel happy i guess . And i think the drop rate from boxes is pretty good atleast on europe server . Dont spend much time in game but by two houers when im loged i see drop from box every 5 min maybe +haha

    I'm glad we have players that support this game by purchasing cash items, and I enjoy supporting Vindictus even if it's just a little bit once in a while. If they had as many sets/outfitters as the other servers, I would definitely be more tempted to buy more NX. When you say that you see a drop from the box every 5 minutes, it makes me feel like the European server might be more populated than NA East :/
  • V0lterixV0lterix
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    I bought nearly 400 boxes and only got one pet. FeelsBadMan
    Mintchi
  • DealerDealer
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    V0lterix wrote: »
    I bought nearly 400 boxes and only got one pet. FeelsBadMan

    I had similar luck however the pet appeared within the first 2 boxes. So I had pretty bad losing streak, here is hoping next gacha is better.
    Mintchi
  • VinVinVinVin
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    edited May 17, 2017
    I don't know why people even spend anything on this. Burning your money would be equally useless but much more fun.
    People still don't learn the big rule in this game: don't spend money on anything with gambling involved.

    I still remember the MastercardEvie from old europe forums, someone that spent thousands of euros in nexon gambling, to get... nothing. Hilarious.
  • BowtacojrBowtacojr
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    It's good to see people still buying hundred of boxes to counteract my purchase of only one box.

    I just saved up gold and bought whatever I wanted (SQ), but what worries me is that the other stuff people are getting might eventually be so easy to just buy on the market, people will be less incentivized to purchase the boxes.

    I know some people justify purchasing the boxes by saying that even if they don't get what they want, they can still sell what they get, but if they keep getting the same stuff every time a new box comes out, they won't buy the boxes anymore.
    Mintchi
  • MintchiMintchi
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    Bowtacojr wrote: »
    It's good to see people still buying hundred of boxes to counteract my purchase of only one box.

    I just saved up gold and bought whatever I wanted (SQ), but what worries me is that the other stuff people are getting might eventually be so easy to just buy on the market, people will be less incentivized to purchase the boxes.

    I know some people justify purchasing the boxes by saying that even if they don't get what they want, they can still sell what they get, but if they keep getting the same stuff every time a new box comes out, they won't buy the boxes anymore.

    I've experienced similar gambling-style boxes in other games, and I agree with your last comment. I remember opening a box that produced hats, and got the same hat like 10 times--and it was the UGLIEST hat out of all that were available. I couldn't even sell it for a decent price, so I gave the hats away.

    I know there are people that like these types of boxes, and I kind of like the surprise in it as well, but...
    For Mischief Maker Case, I feel it was a little difficult to get the cooler stuff.
  • MadcobraMadcobra
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    Still its good that players spend money on them so game alieve
    Mintchi