Kurs

I don't think so, I think you can only buy it off of someone who still has it

and what are you doing? I dare you to point which parts are unreasonable and full of assumptions, shilling and responses not based on what people are saying. Like I said if you see something I don't see then say it.

If you won't then that's on you.

Why am I a self important prick? and wasn't the main characters left mostly to our imagination in the beginning? How am I wrong about that? The only things I saw describing our characters were things like "From her demeanor Evie was probably from a noble from the East but when asked about her history she just smiles and changes the subject". That to me leaves a lot to the imagination. I think you're misunderstanding what I said because what you just stated is exactly what I meant. You like to create your own stories and bring them to your character. I totally love lore in games and stories, I love going into detail about them. And I did care about the oil, when I finally got a computer with a good enough graphics card I was all "OMG WE'RE SO SHINY IT'S SO COOL". And my character is from the first day after closed beta which was when Evie was first released. Liking something that you don't like doesn't and shouldn't make me a self important jerk. It just means I like something different and have different views, and I don't think that's wrong. What makes my views less important than yours? Why am I a self important prick just because I like something that you don't like? From what i'm seeing you're being disrespectful by calling me names, and making assumptions. I'm asking questions, and trying to understand other points of views but you're just spewing out curse words. Calm down. actually read what I say carefully or at least don't jump to the conclusion that just because I have a different view that I'm for or against certain things or am saying certain things. If something sounds stupid it's probably is stupid and chances are that's not what the other person intends.. Or at the very least it's worth asking if that's what they intend before telling them **** you.

Sixth wrote: »

Kurs wrote: »

... if people don't want to listen to what others say and just think the other person is stupid then...

Sure, act like you are not part of that group you just described.
To be honest, you are the only one debating something here. The others just share their opinions, while YOU try hard to invalidate theirs with your assumptions and idealistic views on employment (which doesn't even hold any ground in the real world).

You honestly think they tested these voices? When I play lann, I can't hear anything else but 2 types of LOUD yelling. No variety whatsoever, just constant yelling, no mater what I do, it's yelling after yelling after yelling. And they are long, very long. You think it's fun to play like this? Hearing constant, loud yelling for hours while I do my raids? A creative decision? Really? Having to mute the game to be able to play without headache sure is fun. +best

Ohh, and yes, eira is so grumpy that she smiles in almost every single animation she does. Grumpy all the way!

I'm not part of the group I described, because I actually do try to listen and understand the other sides point of view. Just because I'm not immediately on your side after you state your case doesn't mean that I'm not trying to listen and understand the other sides point of view. Because the fact is while the other side has put thought into their argument, so have I. And there are many reasons why it can be hard to get a point across, and in the end the debate may just end up being a difference of priorities. You on the other hand... idk what you're doing, but based on what you just accused me of, I'm a bit wary of how you approach things. I never assumed the other person is stupid, and I do my best to show respect and try to understand everything,

I don't know how many sound bits Lanns original Korean yelling has, and how many yelling sounds the Korean voice has and if the voice team tried to replace the Korean voices 1 to 1 with English voices, or if they slacked off and removed some, like the original Evie voice. So, if you think it's bad then okay, but that doesn't mean they necessarily didn't do testing. Like I said, mistakes can be made and different people have different ideas of "better", or there could have been time constraints or it could've been something like they meant to fix it however put it on hold due to scheduling, and eventually forgot to address it and made due with what they had. I heard a few voice actors thinking "oh no I should've done it this way instead" after the fact, and this may end up being like that. But personally I'm fine with Evies voice and Lynns voice for sure. And as far as Eira being grumpy and smiling at almost every single animation she does. Being grumpy about most things, doesn't mean you're totally all about being grumpy and can't enjoy anything. Perhaps the personality the voice team was trying to create is a tired woman, who traveled across the world seeing the worst it had to offer, barely having any prolonged social interaction while looking for her sister. Hence the "grumpiness" in her voice, however this doesn't mean she has to be constantly devoid of pleasure and expression, such as the pleasure of putting a bullet in random monsters she has fun overpowering. And like in lots of Animes, emotionless characters do have things that bring out a smile in their faces, usually by the main character.

In the end I'm going to say that the voice team and VA's deserves some respect, at the very least because they didn't take the easy road and just subtitle the Korean voices. And by hiring the VA's they gave them another job which means more money for the VA's, and more potential exposure. And in the end I'm not going to say that attempting to go a little further than necessary isn't worth some respect.

@FranBunnyFFXII
In the beginning all we had were a few sentences to give us hints on character personality, and only a year or two did we have a backstory, the backstory given in the prologue is a compacted version of the full story given in the Korean site and even then, how they talk, how they sound, was left mostly to our imagination. But it seems like you preferred that. But I guess this is where differences in priorities and views or wants are. Some people like a good story, some people like things left to their individual imagination, with you being in the latter. I like a good story with concrete character development, while it seems to me you rather have a vague or even clean slate character which you can create their own personality, or impose your personality on them, which I think it's fine. It's just a matter of Nexon picking to go the concrete personality route, which would be for people like me instead of you for better or worse.

As for the skin oil stuff... I'm not sure what you're talking about because I don't remember ever having my characters shininess (which I'm assuming you're talking about that when you say "skin oil") changing, but I left my character as its default from day 1 after open beta, so maybe what you're saying effected only people who didn't leave their character as its default, or the change happened before I got a good enough computer to see the shininess, but then again I think I changed computers before the Appearance Alteration Coupons arrived. If that's the case then I'd say bad Nexon.

@PrettyPrincess

Well, idk what to tell you, if you think there are a lot of irrevilent stuff but don't want to address it. Well there's nothing I can do about that, if people don't want to listen to what others say and just think the other person is stupid then... well that seems like a dumb way to debate doesn't it?


@DancingStar

DancingStar wrote: »

@Kurs

1. The " we should show some respect and appreciation cause they did some hard work" is just silly. But Sixth already explained you why.
It doesn't work like that when you're selling a product and there're a lot of ppl here that are customers.

It does work, because while Nexon is selling something and the customers are important, I'm looking at the fact that Nexon is made up of individual employees who are internal and in this case external employees working for another company. So Sixth response was that it wasn't tested enough and there are problems like overlapping or something. Okay, that's possibly a valid issue assuming that was a mistake and not a creative decision. However, I believe that most of the complaining comes from the tones or choices in which sound bite goes with which action, somewhat like KoeniginYu's complaint. So let me ask you, what does a "native american old woman" sound like? How should Eira and Arisha sound like? What is Lynns personality, and what's an appropriate voice for that personality? Chances are every single person will have a different answer to each of those questions if they even have an answer at all.

Sixths response with the overlapping stuff is a okay response, however I believe the employees deserve some respect because chances are they did do their testing, they did take pride in their work, and they did try and I think that's worth respect. Because I'm guessing that the employees were working off of what the Vindi creators gave them, each character has a set personality and data, and chances are the creators have a direction they want to take these characters, so these employees did their best, to pick the best voices based on the character personalities (Eira and Arisha may not be as young as you assume and given their backstory, chances are there's a reason why Eira is grumpy, not everyone is going to be a happy Asian, and everyone responds to things differently), and the given direction, and there were a wider range of talent other than higher pitched Asian. The creators/storytellers may even had involvement in picking the voices, and thought these talents best fit the English language and are more what they were going for.
Let's say they did bring in some players to "test" the voices, chances are everyone would have different opinions, and their opinions would be based on basic tropes and individual experiences rather than what the creators intended. And I'll be honest I'd rather see what the creators have in mind in terms of character development than some basic trope that customers expect and see. I mean isn't that one of the great things about story telling? Being put on a ride and expanding our experiences towards more than what we expect? I bet mistakes were made, however the quality and effort are there, and I think that is worth respect. Sure, get your voice option. But I think the effort is worth the respect, and for me I like character development and I'm sure there are others like me. So to me it's something nice and new and different coming along with new bosses.

DancingStar wrote: »

2. As someone said already is not anymore something subjective when most of the ppl don't like it, a very few like, and a few others doesn't really care.
And not necessarely ppl are bound to the original sounds just cause they have been used since the first version.
I played KR/NA/EU/TW and i could still tell that some (old) na/eu voices were better than kr and viceversa.
But after this patch if we now compare kr to na, the old NA voices or korean voices are way better.
Despite probably 90% of the ppl don't understand a word about korean, you can clearly tell they're more fitting and ppl would prefer them over NA voices.
(Taiwan old voices were just horrible. Ten times worse than what we got).

My question is how do you know "most people don't like it" What makes you sure they're not just the vocal few? How many people did you ask? How many people actually play and how do you know that's the number? Is it possible that some people just don't care to voice their opinion? Are you just asking people you know? And is it possible that people who stick together tend to get the same information and no other opinions which affects their responses to things which means the people you ask will give you similar responses while there are many other people who have different views? And like I said in the above response. What is "better?" Does it have to be high pitch Asian? Which is more important in character creation? What the storyteller intended the character to be like, sound like etc. Or what the viewer expected the character to be and when it's not does the storyteller have to rewrite the story? And even if they did which viewer do they listen to? Does the listener even know what they want? I thought Lynns combat voice was pretty similar to the original but KoeniginYu thinks she now sounds like an "old native american woman" What the heck does a "old native american woman" sound like. The Lynn voice actor looks Asian to me, she just doesn't use the high pitch from Japan Anime character voice sooooooooo.... yeah

Also I'm sure everyones speakers are different so they may hear different things.