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Prototypemind wrote: »

Those things that you mention don't equate to skill in game

Yes they do. Once again, if you lack the qualities I have mentioned, you will never be one of the best/better geared players in this game. This is simple reality. Many people do not have the pacience or self control to play a game like Vinidctus, so they don't. They choose games like GW2 or TERA instead, games that are a lot more forgiving and doesn't require as much skill in the traits i mentioned. Yes, a very small minority will abuse P2W elements to get what they want. But the vast majority will be/want to be honest players, or they will quit in the process.

Prototypemind wrote: »

For some reason you missed that others are arguing that the point of this update is to get people to feel their best option is to spend real money to progress. Someone who drops a few hundred--or a few thousand if they're unlucky--on the new special runes and premium runes and NX boxes for airtight items to sell for gold to buy whatever they don't get lucky on does not reflect in game skill, and it never will.

This is a none issue. Once again, you are pretending to be upset when the game is exactly the same as before. This game has always been pay2win/spend IRL money to get **** done. All this update did was add +20 to give veterans a new incentive upgrade their gear and spend money (or grind it out) again. All of these P2W arguments were the exact same thing people cried about when the game first launched because no one had +15 gear at the time. Now, years later, nearly everyone has +12 or higher. So Nexon needs to make a new incentive for veterans to spend, and they added +20. The game is still the same as before. Don't tell me you are a veteran player and still didn't see this reality of Vindictus.
If you suddenly have such a problem with all the P2W elements in this game then maybe you should quit in protest (ACTUALLY quit, not return for the 6th time). Maybe if there is a mass exodus of loyal players Nexon will do something about their unfair cash shop but lets be real, that will never happen, and you aint gonna quit. They would probably rather shut it down than make their cash shop more fair. Just use some common sense and be real/honest. You should understand how Nexon works at this point, to expect anything more would actually be delusional. I have already accepted this reality about this game years ago. If you dealt with Nexon as long as I have, then the P2W in their games would not (and should not) bother you anymore.

Prototypemind wrote: »

Guess what? Once that person who's all geared out hops into a raid even if they're horrible that stacked gear will keep them alive and ever hit they get on the boss in their unskilled flailing will get them more rewards than someone who knows the bosses, knows their character, and puts in the effort to play well--simply because they don't have the gear.

This is a huge hypothetical """what if""" that almost never happens in this game, The vast majority who spend the time, money, and effort getting geared, likely knows how to play their class. Gear has mostly never saved you from getting rekt in this game to begin with. If you didn't know what you were doing, you would be hugging the ground or playing extremely passively. Maybe the decrease in difficulty will make it possible to straight gear-carry now, but we shall see.
This notion that I see way too often in F2P games which equates money spent to lack of skill is just ridiculous and often over-exploited. Even if it does happen, It does not effect you in any way because Vindictus is a PvE co-op game. Just like Warframe, nothing that player does with their money, will ever effect you. You are literally being upset about ghosts, so why waste the energy being upset about it? Why be angry about things that you know won't change?.

Prototypemind wrote: »

That is not a good system. You believe what you like, but your point has been refuted in other threads and multiple times in this one.

No one has "refuted" my point, all I have seen so fare are a bunch of ghost arguments or hypotheticals, then I debunk why you should not be upset about it or why its ridiculous. If you want to get mad about something then get mad about how the game may be too easy to a fault, or how they made it harder to enchant gear. Things like that have true merit to warrant an outrage. Don't be mad because someone who has better gear than you.....did more damage than you. (shocker, right?)

Anyways, I've made my opinion very clear and continuing would mean further repeating myself. If you agree, great. If you don't, you are entitled to your opinion I guess, Im not gonna even try to argue with ghosts or strawmen all day like I did years ago. Bottom line is I wish people would chill out and stop calling this RISE "literally the worse update ever". Yes, change is difficult. But You should be happy the devs are STILL willing to change anything in this game to begin with instead of letting it wither away uneventfully.

TL:DR there is none, read the post dammit.

V0lterix wrote: »

I can't believe this is the first time I've seen someone try to justify these AD changes, as well as try to argue that getting geared takes skill. You are delusional.

I am not "justifying it" I am saying, there is literally no reason for you to care.

XaldinZ wrote: »

Here is what you missing.
Hosts! Not everyone got a perfect net to host for themselfs If a host want 3k ADD dmg then thats that.
Another Thing. Do you really think we needed extra DMG when everything now dies so fast? Do you really enjoy that experience?

And Yes there are +16 allready in the server. I saw one on the vella chat allready.

Idiots hosting ridiculous att requirement boats have always been a thing in this game. This is nothing new.
And the real question is, if the game is so easy, why do you care how much AD someone has? Even if it was still hard, if someone had a bunch of AD, that ONLY helps you clear faster, this is mutually beneficial. Thats what I am saying, you are getting upset at probably the least important thing wrong in this update. You should be upset that they added +20 or made the game faceroll to begin with.

Question2 wrote: »

Everything dies fast huh? Try to see how much damage you do in s3 or nif with only the free +10 gear. Or try doing hero mode muir.

S3 content was never meant to be done by new players in bare minimum gear. This was always the end game. Also not sure why bring this up, this is not an argument.

None of you will quit.

Nonetheless, this update actually made me start playing again since I can...you know, ACTUALLY semi-gear my alts now in less than 5 years. I'm still baffled that they gave you a full set of +10 gear....that won't expire....and isn't pure garbage. The QoL changes should have been in this game 4 years ago. The one thing that utterly pissed me off with this game was how ludicrously impossible it was to achieve any gear progression and it was addressed in this update. Now that scrolls/gear are easier to get and you can list them on the MP, and there is a flat tax on all MP listings, it will drive down the unfathomable inflation this game's economy has been suffering from for years. It provides a more consistent way for everyone to make a little gold and newer players can actually participate in the market economy.

I prefer easier gear progression in games, bur I don't really like the changes to raids (even though I play completely solo) and decrease in difficulty in gameplay. You can't get everything you want in life so I'm fine with it. I personally don't mind a easier game. There are still the Hero mode difficulty for most of the bosses which is still pretty hard.

I feel this update will do a lot more good than harm in the long run but I guess we will see as time goes on.