QueenOfMana said:I do not even know if NxNA can decide the trading rules. It is the Korean Devs that decide these trading rules and not necessarily the NxNA Staff. For the trading rules on these sets to be changed, it would most likely have to go through the Korean Devs. It is rather unfortunate.
Chaeldar said: QueenOfMana said:I do not even know if NxNA can decide the trading rules. It is the Korean Devs that decide these trading rules and not necessarily the NxNA Staff. For the trading rules on these sets to be changed, it would most likely have to go through the Korean Devs. It is rather unfortunate.
I would assume that they probably can't make them airtight, but should be able to change the status of an item to tradable, like Iset and Keaghan are. That would be enough to make people happy.
Dealer said:I also had noticed you said a lot about how these boxes should be going forwards not backwards, when it comes to items like sealed and airtight, but the problem is this sort of box was just reselling the old, not making anything new. So this really wasn't about going forwards or backwards, just staying the same as they were.
Delteros said: Dealer said:I also had noticed you said a lot about how these boxes should be going forwards not backwards, when it comes to items like sealed and airtight, but the problem is this sort of box was just reselling the old, not making anything new. So this really wasn't about going forwards or backwards, just staying the same as they were.
This box is basically a mix between:Violet Witch which had Witch's Tears exchangeable through Exchange ShopScarlet Flutes with Dancing Flame Shards exchangeable through Exchange ShopLucky Ice Cubes and its Frigid Crystals exchangeable through Exchange ShopOrchid Fauna with Orchid Fauna Coupons exchangeable through Exchange ShopRoyal Outfitter Pouches which were released so long ago (and I don't believe had an exchange shop) but the idea is that most if not all major gachapons with these valuable outfitter sets (+wings) after this one had an exchange shop so that if you spent x amount of money you would at least be able to get what you wanted.The Black Friday sale should have came with a similar option with "Black Friday coupons" exchangeable through the exchange shop for outfitters + wings, otherwise you could have instead resold the violet witch boxes, scarlet flutes, royal outfitter pouches separately so that someone who wanted specific outfits or the wings would have a better chance of receiving it and not a completely different item.
Delteros said:About the idea of things staying the same as they were, that's not completely true:Check out this Midnight Wolf which first released in 2014 with the arrival of Lucky Ice Cubes. It wasn't tradable to other players for 2 years - now it's Airtight - that's progress.The same goes for the Golden Junior Gnoll Chieftain, last year it wasn't tradable (as shown on the left) but now it's Airtight and once again tradable to other players. This is what I mean by going forward.However, one thing to note is that:Airtight Pets won't save this game but airtight outfitters (such as those from Orchid Fauna) and wings (such as Sealed Butterfly Wings) just might.
Dealer said:While I understand where you are coming from, you missed a gachapon, Crimson Commander Package. This gachapon was basically another one of those and even though CCP and BFB were after the first exchange shop it didn't have one since it limited the amount of sales and increased rates it didn't get its own exchange shop.
Dealer said:A shop would be hard to balance out with gachapons like BFB. Even without one it feels like more people got more of the rare items from this gachapon than when their respective gachapons or events released them, so I don't think the Devs would agree with the increased drop rate if they also gave a shop, even with the increased price.
Dealer said:Even if they did, in all honesty, I can't see the guaranteed price of an item being any lower than when they came out in gachapons, in fact I see it closer to the max or higher (since coupon amounts would probably have to be fixed due to limiting sales), which would end up drawing more hate from players than them not having any shop at all. Not to mention the issues that occur when players won't be able to buy all the rares in the shop.
Dealer said:I actually didn't mind the boxes giving Vindicator coupons instead of having their own, but I would have liked if they gave more than 1 per box. Though the fact that they gave just 1 gives me the impression that they figured players would get enough good items from the box alone and that the coupons weren't necessary, but rather just tossed in as some icing on the cake.
Dealer said:Well the Wolf was never inside of the Lucky Ice cube, it was always part of the shop in the past, so it was something that had to be changed no matter what if it was to be included in this gachapon. At least they think of making new items airtight when they can.As for the Gold chieftain, that was a revamped event, even "new" to the game since it refused to let us use old letters. I would love if they revamped all of those older gachapons to ones that gave airtight items like they did the Gold Chieftain, but that would be its own thing instead of being part of some super gachapon with all the old rares.
Delteros said:Well in the Crimson Commander Package, all the rares were tradable with the exception of the exquisite enchant rune which you could use on any item and sell through the marketplace anyways. ...These were even cheaper than the Black Friday boxes and while we did receive an increased rate, that was balanced out with the inclusion of these other outfitter sets + elchulus wings so it wasn't much of an improvement at all (at least when it comes to getting specific rares).Also, the non-rares in these CCPs were not airtight as it was released before the airtight system came in place and if that was the same for these Black Friday Boxes, it would probably have been a disaster. Good thing we avoided that.
Delteros said:Yes it is quite intriguing, the chance of getting a rare is 6% yet I've seen people pull as many as 4 rares in a row. I managed to get 2 Keaghan sets in a row which is nice but its not exactly what I wanted. Increased rates are great but an exchange shop is still better for giving the players what they want.
Delteros said:Well those gachapons were 1900nx per box so if there were coupons it would have to be adjusted to give out more especially as it is limited to ten per day. So instead of usually giving out 1-3 in the other gachapons it could have probably given out 2-6 per box. Here's an example of what it could look like: Keaghan Set 200 Coupons Iset Set 200 Coupons Special Trivene Witch Set 200 Coupons Special Tieve Set 200 Coupons Special Captain Keaghan Set 200 Coupons Sealed Black Elchulus Wing 200 Coupons Airtight Exquisite Enchant Rune 70 Coupons Devil Wings 20 Coupons Phoenix Wings 30 Coupons White Phoenix Wings 70 Coupons [Limited] Special Great Adventurer Set (Male) 70 Coupons [Limited] Special Demon Hunter Set (Female) 70 Coupons [Limited] Smooth Summer Set (Male) 70 Coupons [Limited] Summer Sunflower Set (Female) 70 Coupons Special Stadium Set 50 Coupons Special Field Set 50 Coupons Airtight Midnight Wolf 50 CouponsWorst case scenario, if you bought all the boxes because you were searching for a particular item, you would be able to get it. If you don't buy most of the boxes, you could still get a decent item that you desire. This would make most players happy.
Delteros said:The 1 coupon per box is ridiculous and it gives me the impression that there wasn't much thinking involved. One outfitter set in the exchange shop is 200 Vindicator's coupons which is impossible to get since the most amount of boxes you could buy was 70 or 100 with the time extension allowing you to get 100 coupons at the most. People who spent as much as $500 got nothing, or very little, of value in return with these coupons (I would even say that it shouldn't have been included at all). This might be a mistake and it should've given out 1-3 Vindicator's coupons per box but I'm sure no one will say anything.
Delteros said:Who is coming up with these ideas - I don't recall anyone asking for an airtight midnight wolf or even a midnight wolf re-release. I mean it is a nice pet and I still have mine from 2 years ago but it might as well be added in the supply depot instead for a limited time or left as an item that you could obtain after purchasing lucky ice cubes (which seems to come out every single year anyways) and receiving frigid crystals. Yes I am glad that they are making new airtight items (if there wasn't airtight items I wouldn't have bought any boxes) but when you have nearly 70% of the items in the box as airtight/tradable and then the main items in the box that everyone is wanting to get not receiving the same treatment, that was basically a slap in the face to anyone in this community and not just the people who buy these boxes. There are players who do invest time and play the game enough to keep it alive and they should be able to have a chance at getting these rare outfitters/wings.Revamped Violet Witch, Lucky Ice Cube, Scarlet Flute, and Royal Outfitter Pouch gachapons would be great as long as some exchange shop comes along with it. I believe we are getting Lucky Ice Cubes and a Succubus Queen outfitter re-release soon enough but there should be time to revamp those.
Dealer said:It’s true all of them were tradable, but they were always tradable upon release it’s not like the box changed anything. On average it seems like BFB had a higher % even compared to the CCP -6 rare item at 3% vs 10 rare items at 6% - plus the 2ndary items were better in BFB - so the increased price actually seems more than just balanced out.
Dealer said:Well without the extension, if you were unlucky with those prices and the initial sale there was a chance you wouldn’t get enough for the rare at that pricing and coupon amount.But let’s say you did get enough, on average you would probably spend over $100 more to guarantee an item from this exchange shop than the initial ones. I really don’t see that going well since players have issue with the old gachapon’s exchange shop’s pricing of avatar sets. But, I also don’t see the gap being any smaller since again someone could get 4 top prize items in a row from BFB.PS. Interesting pricing, you put the wings are actually at a fair price for our market, but they were in the rare items list so I would expect them to be higher than those that weren’t. Also, Field and Stadium sets have 6 items in the set and had a 100 ticket exchange in their initial gachapon so they should probably be higher than the other Limited sets, maybe 90.
Dealer said:Not sure why having the wolf there makes a difference, it’s just an item from an old gachapon’s exchange shop that got added in like the avatar sets. It wasn’t a rare or anything nor did it take the place of any other items, plus it’s tradable so I don’t see why your post seems to be so hostile towards it. I would have preferred the items being tradable as well, but every item that wasn’t had been released that way, so a part of me expected that, so even as a player I wouldn’t have considered it a slap in the face, just not planned well I guess… but then again there is always the chance that even if Nexon wanted it too, they couldn’t have gotten it. So I don’t know how to feel about it, at least they tried to do right by the players that bought it in the end. As for the revamps, all except Royal outfitter pouch had an exchange shop, so I don’t see why that would change even in a revamp. Though, it seems like the game is going more towards having exchange shops when they can, like how the day to day gachapon even got its own shop now, but hey they could always prove me wrong.
Delteros said:If I seem hostile towards it, its probably because I'm just tired of seeing the same exact outfitters or pets re-released every year. I'd love to see new high-end outfits and new content in general, not just recycled content (although we should hopefully be getting an actual content update around Christmas time).It's nice to give new players a chance to get these older outfitters and pets but you need something for the old players as well, who probably already have most of those outfits/pets/items that they desire already (or just make the old stuff airtight so that the old players can just sell it to someone who really wants it in exchange for gold).
ArishaL said:At 5 dollars a box, you'd think it would be fine to allow people to trade the rewards they received from this box. What about all the people who got shafted and didn't get anything but crappy unbind and dyes? Great way to anger the little player base we have left.
Kirua said:In KR they obviously don't have such problems cause they put everything in the avatar shop (I guess?) so for example they don't get the sale resales over and over (Wedding set, tuxedo, gangster, vampire slayer, steam heroine etc..). Obviously there are many differences between our versions but, what's making a wedding set, with a bugged/badly made texture on it, a rare outfit worth 30$ which you have to buy whole to get the (maybe) piece you want? Sure, it's nice to have special releases but, why always the same since years? I'm sure you would gain more by adding them in the avatar shop but probably it doesn't work this way.
QueenOfMana said:A suggestion would be to include an Event NPC Vendor that would allow you to exchange Gachapon Outfitters for an alternative Gachapon Outfitter/Wings. The drawback would be that the exchanged item would be bound to the character that got the item.I.E: You have Captain Keaghan Set that cannot be freely traded with other players, but it can be freely traded with other characters on the account. You send the Set to a character on the account that wants to make the exchange. That character exchanges the Set for Elchulus Wings. Those wings become bound to that character.