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List the classes by least to most gear reliant
Although gear does not determine ones skill in the game, gear has a big part in making a class work. As a Scythe Evie we suffer from having less attack speed than most other classes. Lanns also seem to rely on crit so much that lacking the gear hurts their performance in raids incredibly so. Looking at Kai, it seems that attack speed isn't as impactful as long as he can get crits, but he can still perform well with mediocre gear as long as the players skill and understanding of the class is good enough.
I was just wondering what others thought the order of how much the classes rely on gear, from least to most gear reliant.
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i'd say vella (both weapons), sword fiona, arisha, gun kai are least reliant on speed.
everybody benefits the same from bal. lann is most reliant on crit, cestus least so.
hurk has a minimum def requirement, no one else does.
staffie and sylas can fulfill their support roles without any damage stats, though spd helps sp gain.
having that high ass attack speed number can let you fit in a LLLLR smash instead of a LLLR smash, allowing you to fit in more damage between boss patterns.
i think the least reliant on attack speed is karok, fiona and kai
If I understand correctly, Kai (Both), Fiona (Sword), and Karok (Pillar) best fit this description?
Any other Kai players around to support this claim?
not a kai player but ive been looking through solos of nemhain and saw a kai one, dunno how much attack speed he had but it looked like he was loading his xgun and popping off skills real quick.
here it is:
Att: 27.3k | Def: 15k | Bal: 90 | Crit: 140 | AtkSpd: 74
Everyone else
39 speed would make the gun not as sluggish as when you first start, but once you hit 50, you are able to reload your weapon faster and load onto other actives easier. Dual hollow also becomes faster with the more attack speed you possess. There's also a mild difference between 50 speed, and 62 speed, which can be achieved with a +11 90 weapon.
71 speed would make your basic shots shoot faster than one that has 38-70 speed.
Sword Lann is the worst overall. He really needs to be stat capped to be reliable everywhere, and even then it still takes a lot of skill to get everything out of him. I'd much rather have a capped Cestus Karok to know that I'm going to get the best return no matter what the boss design.
Hurk needs a lot of speed, but you may as well consider the cost for capping him and Scythie if you're assuming optimal playing conditions to really enjoy either.
Lynn Ceiling: 50
Lynn needs around 23 attack speed to function properly in most raids (varies on height). Anything lower than this and it will be difficult just to land a Fishtail before the boss hits you. Having over 50 attack speed however, is less beneficial to Lynn than a Delia or Vella.
Where are you getting these breakpoint figures from? And what are the ones for other characters?
http://forums.vindictus.nexon.net/discussion/2920/xgun-kai-attack-speed as discussed and tested from Arrow95.
0, 13, 38, 71, 125 are the attack speed thresholds for basic bolt shooting.
This is only just for X gun kai. As for the other characters, I don't have much experience.
To be optimal in your damage output, you need 71 speed.
If you don't want to worry too much about gearing, you can still live comfortably with 40-55 speed without having to break your bank.
In short, Kai only relies heavily on gear if you want to be #1 DPS. You can still perform as well as others even if you don't have expensive gear.
Some into critical and others into speed. If you have a stupid amount of coin and plan on spending a lot then you can get both.
This literally applies to any class.
It's 2017 and Vindi players still think the class they're playing is a special snowflake.
True on #1 DPS part, but his 2nd statement doesn't apply to speed dependent class though.
With average gear, Lynn/Delia or Scythe Evie is resorted to use weaker smash if she doesn't want to get hit.
With low crit, good luck for Lann trying to use gilding fury at all.
First of all, I dunno why you threw Lynn in there. She's not AS dependent. If anything, too much AS can mess up her zhen timings.
Secondly, this "X class needs Y AS to function properly" is an over exaggeration and only really applies to solo mode. You can function perfectly fine with 40 AS Scythe in parties and I'm sure Delia and Hammeriona can do so too. When there are 8 players in the party or when the boss is stun-locked, you don't have to resort to weaker smashes. And even in a solo scenario, it's not all the bosses. Some bosses are sand-baggy enough to solo with 40 AS Scythe.
Sure you could say some classes scale better with AS (and no one can beat Chain Vella in that department). But this "so and so class is literally unplayable below X AS" is too dramatic. Except for Sword Lann, since the core of his gameplay is dependent on stats.
I've played multiple chars for years in the ~40 speed range and had no problems whatsoever.
Ofc I don't care much for solos or dps di ck racing but for casual party play that speed is good enough.
Kai?lolwat,hes like the least speed dependant imo. 'mained him for years after his relase'
Delia is indeed speed reliant tho,56 and I still feel slower than a hammer Fiona with her and its quite annoying.