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Hey ! , 1 question for the developers - Do you even play and test LANN character in these days /??? , because i can tell you this 4 sure , LANN only playable with insane gear and enchants . Example would be that with a undergered lvl 90 latest character added by the company you can reach way better survivability and damage numbers than a LANN.
All in 1 would be that LANN seriosly needs a reworck. I chalange the devs to grab a ASTERA gered LANN and play in brehe , and then get a Grimdon
with lvl 95 gear and play same areas. The dodge on LANN needs reworcking , same f the stupid cooldown and ofk ..lack of better skills.
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Besides, sword lann is getting a rework in the near future.
This could be my 7 years experience with spear lann talking, but he is no longer the hardest class these days imo.
For the life of me I still can't figure out how to dps well with eira on lugh 2.0... But lann, easy peasy now. (Obviously other bosses eira is way easier, but that is because her attacks end up just being free dodges.)
And as for when you wear free lv 90 gear... There is a reason it is free, but still Lann isn't even close to the slowest dps for RAR/S2/lv 90 raids. (For me free lv 90 gear on lynn/grim wins the lowest dps awards.)
Thats the point i was tryng to reach..
You just nailed it '' He has high amount od DPS with MAXED STATS '' , mi friend , again , if u ompare with new characters , LANN either sword or spear just suks , dificult to play , dificult to survive , just lame , low hits per second , and so on . The dmg a sword lann deals its crap compared to EIRA , Grimdon and so on .....not even geting in the dodge / dash mechanik for LANN wich suks...
Yeah you're comparing lann with one of the top tier characters, what did you expect ?
Since Lann is reliant on stats to deal his damage (particularly critical rate), of course you need high stats,
Again, you're comparing the top dogs to lann, you MUST have at least max crit rate and max att with a lann to compare in terms of damage, that's a problem indeed, but it has always been this way, they won't change that anytime soon...
His dodge only sucks if you don't know how to use it, i've seen too many people coming from block characters that complain about lann dodge when all they do is cancel the iframes and then get hit...
Neither lann is difficult to survive with.
Sword Lann has both slip and Nimble Dash.
Spear lann now has one of the most generous dodges in terms of iframes plus having more iframes throughout the entire duration and recovery animation of lightning fury.
This is going to be a bold statement, but if you're having trouble surviving as lann, you're not playing him right. If you have not learned basic survival skills with Lann, I don't think you're experienced enough with him to even be making threads and comments about what he needs.
A dude that has no idea at all how damage formula works, nice.
The point of the game is having maxed stats (6000 add, 3350 att limit, 90 bal, crit cap (182)) all characters have the same goal, so you're blaming Lann for having to reach the same goal other characters have to?
With these maxed stats, you would find that the entire cast of characters is pretty balanced, doing +- 25% dps, sword Lann can beat half of the characters in dps consistently so that's why I like calling him a mid tier. Against top characters like hurk he can fall a bit behind, but its not that much just a quarter or less. Definitely not S tier but not low tier either.
This class might just not be for you. If you really love the class then you're willing to spend the time to gear him up. I think the problem is that many people are impatient and want results easy and handed to them on a silver platter. I actually like working hard for my gear. Now, the RNG does suck, but I still try my best to keep moving forwards and it does reward me. If you don't have that kind of tenacity just give it up friend. Vindictus is a tough world. And maining lann is even tougher.
True - and I dont care either. My +15 Lann has been collecting dust since before Delia came out. Why? Because my +8 Sylas has been more effective ever since he got a +8 weapon. That was pre-RISE, but w/e. I imagine its still the same performance gap today. Damage? Shmamage. Go pound your calculator, I'll go have fun.
Before you waste your energy on some witty response, you should know I'm a filthy casual who only plays about 2 days a week.
No- the point is to have fun. As should be in any game. The min/max crowd who think approval only comes from, and thus only lives for, top dps, is very sad indeed.
But truly - any character in the game needs far less stats to be as effective as a decently geared Lann. I feel like any char with +10 gear is prob as good or better than a Lann with + 12. All I ever hear from ppl adding Lanns to their Line-ups is "Why does he suck so much?" Why does he need so much gearing to be even remotely decent?" And I'm like - I learned my lesson in 2015.
Pre-RISE formulas worked different, and you could beat +15 weapons with +10 because the only notable stat you got from enhancing was attack speed. Lann also lacked crucial buffs. To give you an example, a +15 grants you almost triple damage compared to +10.
If you want to discuss something, don't look at how the game was 2 years ago, talk about present.
You're asuming people like us don't have fun with the game, and you're wrong there. I have a lot of fun soloing bosses and improving my times, and my favourite place in the game is ein lacher because it readjust the damage so all my alts can deal the same damage as my main.
So, what do you truly want ? Have fun without minmaxing while being effective ?
If you just want to put no effort in and be rewarded for it then your choice of abandoning lann is indeed correct.
What's your opinion of hardest to play. Cause I'm seeing a lot of "He's not that bad" with no comparisons to anything throughout the whole thread. Easy to say he's not bad when people don't compare him to anything. I'm not seeing how when he's the slowest to cross a distance to even reach the already mobile af bosses now. When he does get there the majority of the time he's best dps rotation isn't and option but you fit it in when possible like every class, you'll just get less time than the other chars in that rotation. His dodge may be better but it's certainly not the best, not even by a long shot. The story is the same with all the older classes as far as gear is concerned. It takes a max stat char to match a much lower gear new char. As far as difficulty to play I don't find any of the new chars hard to play honestly. Slight learning curves but just not as hard to live and deal dmg with. If the opinion of hardest to play is who has to press the most buttons that's stupid. The dps potential vs the difficulty or ability it takes to reach that potential in my eyes is what makes a char hard to play, and that simply isn't any of the newer characters that can stick to a boss more than the brawler of the game or smack the boss out of hitbox range does not make a hard class. Being able to apply dps while dodging and cover distances that a spear lann just simply can not to even hit the boss. Not seeing the argument for him being easy to play and do well with. You can pick up basically any of the new chars and be able to play them pretty damn well in a few hours and not nearly as dependent on gear. Even with the same gear, new chars will out pace him and basically all the old chars and basically every raid with a couple exceptions. (or at least should if you know how to play them.) Just because the changed a garbage dodge doesn't mean that the difficulty left. The difficulty didn't solely stem from his dodge either and his dodge still isn't insane in the spectrum of dodges others have.
This was more leaning towards Spear Lann, Sword I don't think is in a bad spot just crit dependent.
Hell spear Lann has even longer inv frames and lower recovery frames than Teide Hurk and I have no trouble playing him within melee range.
And we aren’t even factoring in his unlimited stamina where he is no longer punished with a net 7% loss in hp every time he uses it.
So lets list his merits instead of focusing on only the bad.
Spear Lann has unlimited stamina, one of the highest sandbag damage in the game, little recovery frames on his attacks, and a dodge with absurd inv frames.