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How long until we implement this sytem as well?
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2016-12-12/china_is_cracking_down_on_mmorpg_lockbox_vendors.shtmlAs Vindictus CN will be forced to implement this change, just wondering if we could get some dialogue going on when we'll be seeing it here. On top of disclosing rates, items available through RNG boxes must also be made available for direct purchase so that players have the option to choose which suits them. Love it. I'm sure it will be a progressive roll out, but it was a very short time between when the changes requiring odds to be disclosed in KR trickled down and began being implemented, so I can't imagine it will be all that long before it's in place to at least some degree. I can't imagine even the whales here being okay with having to gamble on boxes when players in CN can direct buy anything they like if they so choose.
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Our boxes have had long lists of what's in them. The % chance to obtain the high value items. An alternative way to get the high value items via the exchange shop with special currency... And as far as I can tell they all have true RNG in those boxes as well..
Granted not every box followed those rules...like the black Friday sale...
" it should provide the users with other virtual props exchange, and other ways of obtaining the same performance virtual props and value-added services by using the online game virtual currency direct purchase."
The keyword I see there is other, since the higher priced items we have are the same as limited time outfitters, stat wise, NA wouldn't have to change anything.
For CN however, they might need a S ranked outfitter in direct purchase, but then again S ranked outfitters are available to obtained through in game means, though it takes a lot of cash items to synthesize it, so I am not sure where it falls, since they could also argue that free event outfitters could be used to obtain them as well. I'm confused, what do you mean by a mistake? Its not like this rule applies to NA.
I clarified my post above as well. This isn't stating that the boxes themselves must be available for direct purchase or able to be earned, but that any prizes within them must be available for direct purchase/and or able to be earned through currency obtained by playing.
I don't see anything like that, the only part that mentions direct purchase is the part that I quoted, which only requires another item with the same abilities to be available for direct purchase.
So again our current outfitter system satisfies that completely.
Also on the topic of shards that can be saved up would be the same as a direct purchase method as described by the article (its not like CN has this system anyways) and even if not if they price the item at lets say $700 for Succubus queen, how is that any better than the gachapons?
(I picked $700 since that would be the price of not getting gachapon stacks and only getting 1 coupon per gachapon)
To me it seems like NA doesn't have a voice and we are always receiving the short end of the stick.
Well if we aren't going to follow those sorts of rules, it would only be a matter of time before more players who do pay $$$ leave the game. The least Nexon can do is cater to their paying customers by having good policies that encourage all players to stay (if not direct-purchase options of all outfitters, then a way to get those outfitters by playing, or at least the exchange shop option which seems to be missing with some gachapons), because I don't think paying customers will want to throw money at a dead game.
With all these lucky box sales it really does seem that NA is on a steady decline since we have to rely on those sorts of tactics to gather enough money to stop the servers from shutting down.
CN system seems to be completely different, its closer to JPs where every single outfitter is in gachapon boxes or only obtained by throwing outfitter pieces (mostly obtained through spending) into a system with rates that even Ferghus and Brynn would feel guilty about offering to players.
I was looking to see if this changed anything in CN, but I don't see anything different, they offered up another S class outfitter special (higher rate of obtaining these types right now) but no notice of what the rate is. They are directly selling B class sets as usual, and most seem to be for a limited time.
That's a law in china and china has no jurisdiction in NA or KR.
You are the only one thus far who has attempted to interpret this as anything other than what it is. Direct purchase of both premium and regular outfitters is not the same as the requirement here. The requirement here is that 'it should provide the users with other virtual props exchange', i.e. tokens such as the shards, and 'other ways of obtaining the same performance virtual props and value-added services by using the online game virtual currency direct purchase', meaning the items within the boxes must be made available to buy outright or by playing the game, not only be obtainable by gambling on the boxes. None of this is currently satisfied by anything that Nexon or most other gaming operators have in place.
I guess you're free to imagine it to read however you like, though.
The wording is pretty clear "same performance virtual props" not "same virtual props", but we can just watch what CN Mabinogi Heroes actually does. Though so far they haven't changed anything or put up any notices about this stuff yet, and its been over a week since the Ministry's Notice.
Honestly, if things like Vampire/Demon Hunter came direct purchase or could be bought in game with lower stats I wouldn't complain that they don't have the same boosts as the gotcha boxes, so long as they're available. Odds are, however, that considering the Ministry's stance, it will require that they be the same in every way.
As to getting up my hopes, the item about displaying gotcha rates was only a strong suggestion for KR companies, but it was very swiftly enacted, and even though it was KR-only as a requirement, it became the norm for all of Nexon's regions. I doubt that this will go into place in CN and not here, but if it doesn't you can count me as one who will never spend another dime on a Nexon product. You guys do a great job of listening to what players want in some cases and then act like we're morons when it comes to some of our other desires, like actually getting value for our money. Do as you will though.
I have to deal with the RNG, pricing, and ups and downs of the game like everyone else, I'm just not bothered by most of these things, if I don't like something I can just opt out of it just like anyone else, no one forces me to spend and most of this stuff is vanity anyways.
We (as in this region) don't have the full rates displayed like KR I also haven't seen it on CN or EU either, so I'm not sure why you think KR's change actually came to other regions.
For KR it was Nexon plus a few other gaming companies that decided to make that rule for themselves so nothing would be required of them later on.
It was a nice effective thing for them, but it didn't spread to other regions like you say.
As to me saying "you guys" I stand by that. Your replies tend to take the tone of someone who is on the inside with Nexon and needs to support their stances rather than someone who is simply a forum mod. It's something that many players have noted about both you and Aquasol in the past. If you feel otherwise that's fine, your position is your own.
We really do have to wait and see what CN MH does about it before we start asking for what they have, since with the way this document is worded there are many ways that their system could still be worse than our own.